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Post by Death Soldier on Jul 23, 2004 11:40:07 GMT 10
In Australia for those who are intrested The Evangelion movie will be on Thursday 10:30pm i think Thanks for letting us know magic chicken. I watched the movie last night (I think it started a bit earlier than 10:30, but doesn’t matter), and I didn’t like it very much..it made me feel sick. I was gonna have nightmares…lol .A lot of it were from the episodes, but that was ok for me, cause I never completely watched the whole thing.
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Post by Blu on Jul 23, 2004 15:01:40 GMT 10
You should see End of Evangelion ^^ Sick has a new meaning.
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Post by magicchicken on Jul 23, 2004 18:32:53 GMT 10
My dad taped it so I'm going to watch it tonight. I believed that in the paper it said that it is snippets of episodes put together and they added in scenes, and it was about the series.
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Post by Chibi Jen on Jul 23, 2004 20:28:02 GMT 10
My dad taped it so I'm going to watch it tonight. I believed that in the paper it said that it is snippets of episodes put together and they added in scenes, and it was about the series. Yep, that's kinda like the movie 9snippets of past episodes)... The one Blu is talking about is worse in my opinion.. so much killing and blood and stuff o.o
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Post by Blu on Jul 23, 2004 23:44:45 GMT 10
End of Evangelion is like... sacred! (and crap) It finishes such a well constructed series in the strangest way. It leaves you speculating.
You love it for its answers (which are posed as questions) and will love it for the death of everything - - a true end. The End of Evangelion.
(Morbid wasn't that lol.) ^^
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Post by Chibi Jen on Aug 17, 2004 17:39:23 GMT 10
I guess what makes me like this anime is the drawings of the characters, and the oddness..
But the oddness is a little too dark? However, I didn't like the last episode one bit.. it was too "happy" and.. out of place.
But then the Movie was err... can't find the word.
A different anime indeed!
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Post by Chibi Jen on Oct 17, 2004 19:45:12 GMT 10
I'd think this anime would be better if there was an actual romance in the plot.. but of course, that... doesnt exactly happen. Just judging from the illustrations, they all look pretty good characters. I think I'd rather watch some love triangle in there with Shinji, Rei and Asuka XD..lol
Does Misato love Shinji btw? I'm confused o.o
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Post by marcoPolo on Apr 3, 2005 17:33:23 GMT 10
This show started off with a bang (excuse the clinche...), but then gradually lost its touch (as least imo). I think the show presented many puzzles, but failed to solve them before the series concluded.
"Does Misato love Shinji btw? I'm confused o.o" As odd as it may be, I think she does (judging from what she did in the movie).
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Post by Blox on Apr 4, 2005 2:50:41 GMT 10
I would agrue she doesn't, or rather doesn't have any romantic interest. She love Kaji for that. For Shinji it's more of an empathetic thing she sees herself and in and regonises his pains and weaknesses, it digusts her but endears her all the same. A love in a way, the same way that Kaoru loved Shinji. Least those are my views, it very open to interperitation. It's what's great about the show.
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Post by Chibi Jen on Apr 5, 2005 20:08:42 GMT 10
Kaoru and Shinji's relations was very strange... Doesnt seem like a simple homosexual relationshop @_@ (maybe its not even about that at all)
What was their relationship?
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Post by Blu on Apr 5, 2005 23:00:00 GMT 10
I heard that it was that they kinda ran out of budget towards the end of the anime series, that's why the style sucked more and more. (Note the increased use of still shots in ep 21-26 - - although this may be a stylistic/dramatic feature, I don't know)
I was one of the few people who would have been satisfied with episode 25-26 as the ending. Somehow, when I watched it. It made sense to me.
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Moving along...
There was much emphasis with Kaoru & Shinji's short but very impacting relationship. The focus is actually on Shinji here, the protagonist who has for his entire life been rejected and a 'victim' of-sorts when it comes to love.
The 'love' we refer to isn't the romantic type. It's the type of love that is somewhat beyond the boundaries of romance, but in the sense of something "greater" then that. It's the warm love that comes out of something that can't be replaced by romantic love. Almost like unconditional parental love (to which Shinji has been deprived for much of his life).
Earlier in the series, there is much to do with Shinji being confused with love.
Gendo is a bastard. Shinji's seemingly cold father. He does love Shinji (revealed somewhere, but Shinji never-ever gets a hint of it) but he's too obsessed with becoming the centre of third impact and being returned to his beloved, Yui. (I think it was)
Then you have Yui. The one figure in his life that he knows loved him. But she left him mysteriously, and disappeared altogether (we don't know where she went, but there are hints & theories around the net and in the series).
Now there's Misato, to whom he has mixed feelings for. She never does express her love for him directly, but she does care for him. She teases him all the time by not wearing all too much all the time at home. She doesn't react much to that.
There's then Rei. She does him a betrayal also. Although there was a point she realised she did love Shinji + Gendo. That's where she gets... 'replaced' (or blown to bits depending on how you think of it) . Shinji from there on sees her as a stranger who can't help him.
Asuka is another. She's always resistant towards Shinji, but she's always with him. Eventually she heads towards breakdown and goes nuts (I guess thats a way of putting it). Shinji is ambivalent towards her and her attitude (and I guess this feeling is mutual in the end)
There's Kaji, who's always preaching (back when he was alive). He could be likened to a father figure for a little while towards Shinji. But he leaves too. (Misato feels that badly, and is unable to help Shinji at this stage)
And finally there's Kaoru, the only person to openly offer his love to Shinji. Kaoru was the clear-cut most affectionate and open of all the people Shinji's ever met. However, Kaoru also eventually betrayed him. But the biggest part of the Kaoru relationship was that he was the first person to do something like that for him. He wasn't confusing, and they just 'clicked' somewhat. Thats the thing that made Shinji lose all sense of himself at the end. (Betrayal was signified in Kaoru's request. Shinji sees it as another person who loved him leaving him forever.)
We see in the movies, that he is unable to be consoled by anyone. Everyone rejects him. He is unable to deal with his anguish and angsts all through the last movie.
Misato's kiss signified her recognising him as a man (another big theme here) and but it also hits Shinji that at the moment she gives her love to him (in form of the kiss) she is about to die also (the blood in Shinji's mouth afterwards).
All this betrayal inevitably leads Shinji to be lost and confused and not know how to handle love (there are scenes in third impact where it shows Shinji discovering 'people').
At the end of the final movie. There is a scene where he not understanding what he should do in a moment where someone he see asuka, he is reminded of all the pain he went through. To prevent further betrayal, he strangles Asuka, before she can show him affection. But she caresses Shinji, and from there on he is confused on what to do. But at least he isn't alone ^^
[Goddamn that took awhile. That's my opinion on the whole thing & how I interpretted it. But I know there are many other ways it's been interpretted before. Please add any ideas you may have!]
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Post by Blox on Apr 6, 2005 1:24:38 GMT 10
Well I'm waaaay to give my own thesis but it's fairly simlar to yours Blu just some variants on Shinji's responses.
Though about Yui, I'd argue there's no mystery about what happened to her it's practically a given near the end of the series that her soul was aborbed into Unit 1s LCL.
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Post by Blu on Apr 6, 2005 7:16:41 GMT 10
I don't think it was ever specifically stated, but yeah there were many implications. We see the pattern with Unit 02, however I have a feeling that Unit 00 contained the soul of Ritsuko's mother... It's just a theory since we never really have any idea. The reason I say this is that the Eva seems to absorb souls to make it "alive". A synchronisation ratio would probably how alike the patterns in thought are between the Eva and the Pilot. It's usually a mother & child thing.
Would that imply Ritsuko's mother woulda been the woman from which Rei was created? Would be interesting if it were (although that possibility was never explored in the series ever, it's my personal theory)
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Post by Chibi Jen on Apr 6, 2005 19:28:07 GMT 10
Woah... such a well expressed 'essay' XD It was very interesting to read.. and I donno if I have anything to add to that... Wasn't Kaoru a little artificial? What was his purpose in trying to befriend with Shinji in the first place?
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Post by marcoPolo on Apr 8, 2005 19:40:57 GMT 10
"Woah... such a well expressed 'essay'" Yeah... I got owned :-(. Heheh :-).
"Wasn't Kaoru a little artificial? What was his purpose in trying to befriend with Shinji in the first place?" Hmmm... isn't it just because he is a nice guy :-)? Alright, I'm expecting another essay for this ;-)!
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