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Post by Belldandy on Jan 30, 2006 0:19:49 GMT 10
I've thought about this for a while. Why does Kyo have to beat Yuki, can't he beat another animal? It makes sense if he can't beat any of the other animals. (Kyo can't even beat the dog or the boar who are the last animals) However Kyo can beat the ox which I find strange. The ox is ranked 2nd in the 'race' but is weaker than the cat. ((Another thought, I wondered why the ox would outrun other animals like the horse or dragon. Then I remember it was chased after by the tiger. probably had no idea the rat was on it's back because it just kept on running. The dragon was probably boasting about it's power so didn't come first - like the story of the hare and the tortiose.)) Spoiler? Akito bets with Kyo that if he can beat Yuki, he can join the other animals. Honda also wants to break the curse. What if she asks Yuki to lose to Kyo on purpose? Will the curse be gone? (at the very lease Kyo's one might since the vengeful spirit got it's revenge.)
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Post by Death Soldier on Jan 30, 2006 9:50:25 GMT 10
I'm thinking its along the lines of defeating the most worthy one of the animal in the zodiac (i.e the rat). Or maybe its just a rule Akito made up, makes it harder for Kyo to join them since Akito doesn't seem to like the cat at all and since the rat was the one who tricked the cat in the story.. That would be a little unfair for both Kyo or the other members^^; Like, imagine Kyo losing to Kisa xD or the other way round, Kyo doesn't hate the other animals..he's got a nice heart- he wouldn't wanna fight them. uhuh... ooo...interesting topic of discussion - I don't really know if Yuki would do that for Tohru..Yuki and Kyou really hate each other and u can kinda see they both have pride for themselves. However, its not impossible- since Tohru came and sorta changed them..Yuki loves Tohru, but would it be enough to put down his hatred for Kyou and even let him join the zodiac? ? (Would u call them love rivals for ohru too? xD) It might need some time.. hm...I hope that happens in the mnage later on!! lol..I wanna know the answer to this too As for the vengeful spirit...I don't think he has to defeat Yuki to get rid of it, if there's other ways to get rid of his hatred...
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Post by Belldandy on Jan 30, 2006 15:49:47 GMT 10
I'm not saying Kyo would intentionally beat up an animal to take over them. I'm just saying that they should be stronger than him in some way. We see Shigure not scared of Kyo at all. When he tries to punch him he simply puts his hand on Kyo's head - and he doesn't even know martial arts.
Hiro still beats Kyo in talking (and lots of other people) so Hiro in stronger than him in that sense. Kyo can't touch him.
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Post by Death Soldier on Jan 30, 2006 22:07:03 GMT 10
Hiro still beats Kyo in talking (and lots of other people) so Hiro in stronger than him in that sense. Kyo can't touch him. lol..that's true. also like Ayame - He surely knows how to annoy ppl xD then again, seems like Kyou is easily annoyed by the other family members~ This is kinda odd, even though the cat does not belong in the zodiac, he still plays a role in it, being cursed by the spirit of the cat. Akito still has control and power over him...is that why he wanted to be accepted? So he wasn't seen as the foolish cat? I mean, he seems to want to join the zodiac..but I don't really see what's so good about it. I think Kyou later admits that he'd rather stay with Tohru than go see Akito..who wants to see Akito anyway xD Evil Akito...won't even let the cat have his own freedom, even after the cat has been rejected from the zodiac..
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Post by Belldandy on Feb 1, 2006 0:48:53 GMT 10
If Akito accepts Kyo, then he gains respect. No one in the family would say anything bad about him or treat him as inferior. No one wants to be told they're so and so. He wants to prove that his not.
I wonder why the other animals have vengeful spirits. I can understand Kyo and the cat but what are the other spirits of the other animals doing there - being eternally bound by God?
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Post by Death Soldier on Aug 4, 2006 18:51:21 GMT 10
These questions are so hard to answer xD Is it all part of the curse? lol
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Post by Chibi Jen on Aug 5, 2006 15:53:01 GMT 10
After much thought, I picked 'no'. I don't think Yuki would agree to do such thing even if Tohru asked him to. We know Yuki likes Tohru, but I believe there are things more important to a guy, that even if the girl asks him to, he wouldn't. Yuki is as stubborn as Kyou when it comes to the zodiac thing, he is the rat- the winner of the race; he wouldn't give up his title to the cat..cat and rat are eternal enemies. Yuki has nothing to gain losing to Kyou, but everything to lose. Who knows what Akito might do to him? There's the pride factor, Yuki will not lose to a cat...heck he doesn't even like Kyou.. It would also be very unkind and inconsiderate of Tohru to request that of him. If Tohru did ask him, he'll probably say something along the lines of "Sorry, I can't do this... Kyou will also disapprove of such idea. If he wants to be accepted, he has to win it himself" or something XD
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Post by The Goodess of Destruction on Aug 6, 2006 4:42:55 GMT 10
sorry but i am so confuse.
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Post by Chibi Jen on Aug 6, 2006 10:48:41 GMT 10
omg, we received 2 more votes for 'no' after my post.. XD
Come on guys, don't be shy and come share your thoughts!! No one's gonna bite ^^
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Post by Belldandy on Aug 6, 2006 11:55:13 GMT 10
Those are very convincing points CJ
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Post by Death Soldier on Aug 6, 2006 19:06:54 GMT 10
Nice work ChibiJen..Very convincing...I have nothing to add...lol. You guys think Kyou could ever defeat Yuki though? From what I've seen, it seems very unlikely...I wonder what will happen when the time comes ^^
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Post by Belldandy on Aug 7, 2006 12:14:31 GMT 10
I guess it's all about Yuki overcoming his fears of Akito and his fate of being a rat and chained to him. If for Honda and himself, he does do it, it may cause them to break away from the zodiac.
I can clearly see Kyo's view in this, but to defeat Yuki there is no other way...
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Post by Chibi Jen on Aug 7, 2006 15:42:04 GMT 10
Wonder why they don't challenge Akito herself.. (this is of course coming from someone who hasn't been following the manga ^^; What does kyou actually want to achieve? to be part of the zodiac? Its understandable he wants a sense of belonging...but is the family worth being part of, esp with Akito controlling their lives? I say Kyou should just leave them and be with Tohru ^^ lol...
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Post by Belldandy on Aug 8, 2006 10:07:17 GMT 10
The curse is too strong for them to directly go against him. Momiji is the bravest of them all but "that" was all he could do (in the manga). However, if Kyo were to beat Yuki, Akito would be really angry and have to keep his word - breaking the cycle of the cat. (so... what if Yuki and Kyo both agreed to lie to Akito that Kyo beat Yuki? ) Kyo's spirit longs to be one of the zodiac I believe. Again, the curse binds him to Akito so he can't just leave.
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Post by Death Soldier on Aug 8, 2006 16:13:35 GMT 10
ah..I see what you mean..put down his pride..the pride that come with him being the rat - sounds like a way to break the curse =) it could work.
He is part of the Sohma family..but I think he's sorta inbetween the "insiders" and "outsiders". He knows about the curse, is curesed, yet he's rejected. He, like the other zodiacs want to be free and be a normal person. I think that's Kyou's concern nowadays, more than 'joining the zodiac' and its true as Bell said:
but the curse binding them with Akito is a different thing I reckon..slight differences, but do you guys get what I'm trying to say?
I think Kyou just want to his own freedom.. :spoiler:spoiler-ish [spoiler-ish] From Memory, in the manga, the bet Akito made was that if Kyou can't defeat Yuki, before he graduated high school, he would be confined forever...but if Kyou does win, Akito would even "let" Kyou be part of the Zodiac
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